The Ugly History of Somalia and Ethiopia concerns Darood? So

[Somali2003]

I don't understand Hawiye appealing to this history as a strong case against Ethiopia's occupation in Mogadisho.

The Conquest of Horn of Africa (1543)was carried by Daarood tribes and their leaders, the Dervish wars of 1898-1921, and the 1964 and 77 war with Ethiopia as well, and to this date, it is Daarood that are battling with Ethiopia in Ogaden.

They demonstrate Hate for Darood, yet appeal to their history as a justification for the liberation of our country. Just like Somaliland, they hate Daarood, yet they appeal to Warsangeli and Dhulbahante support for their secession.

It is time that these two tribes embrace the reality that Darood is a Nation that keeps the unity of Somalia intact as well as its Political independence and Sovereignty.

[Somali2003]

"In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries the southward thrust of
the Somali peoples was intensified and they pushed still farther towards
the Tana River and the fertile coastlands of what is now Kenya. In the
nineteenth century the pace grew even faster, and by 1850 they had crossed
the Juba. There can be no doubt that had it not been for European
intervention the Somalis, pushing before them the Galla and the remnants
of other displaced tribes, would by then have swept through Kenya. The
local Bantu and Nilotic tribesmen could scarcely have held them for a day,
and even the Masai at the height of their power would have proved no
sort of a match for the fighting men of the Herti Marehan and Ogaden
Somalis."

The Horn of Africa
Gerald Reece(1944)

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u195 ... dPower.jpg

[The_Emperior5]

sxb In the times of ahmed gran darood dident even excist only merexaan excisted wala ogaden wala aw kuumbos excited back then
His fighters where mostly Affar diirs guragina later gurgures and parst of the habarmagaade clans

Dervishes does that suposed to make a difrent the mad mullah privite darood army adeer taarikh idin noqon mayso.

1977 nimankii goday jigjiga iyo dhirdhawe ba xoroye niman isaaq aya ahayeen magacyadoodi waan ku sheegii kara, just becous siyaad barre was the president doesent mean the daroods had all the milatary commanders in the battle field sxb , plus meesha kaliya eeh xabashidu bombgarayso markii somalia dagaalka laga baddiye was hargesa sxb , wa taarikh dad badan aan ay ogayn

[Somali2003]

Emperor, just read the link.

My fuking point, you can't claim the history of Daarood and at the same time discredit and censure them day in and out. You have no political history nor Great leaders.

[Somali2003]

Somalia's problem is tribalism. Once you stop hating a whole tribe and nation and start thinking of working together , then you have a viable solution.

[cabdallah252]

stop using darood like its a real thing or the people are united

fok daroodism and marehans and caghdeers

[Ina Baxar]

Forget about Darood , I've been let down by the mighty darawish

[cabdallah252]

only laangaabs like leelkase, awrtable and warsangeli use the word darood

[Somali2003]

Darood does not exist in your eyes because of yours perspective, but it does exist when people ignore the complexity of us vs them.

Read this so called DR. Oman Hashi. His whole article revolves around the issues of Daarood vs the Rest. He does not understand the complexity of political differences and there are many people who hold the same views.

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Why Arab regimes Feel Threatened by Somalia’s Liberation from Ethiopian
Woyane Occupation!
Dr. M. Omar Hashi
September 19, 2007


Recent news coming out shows the ongoing depravity and hubris of Arabs towards the Somali Muslim ethnic group’s crisis and opposition to their freedom struggle to move beyond it. Specifically, the Saudi regime under despot Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud (the so called King of Saudi Arabia and the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques) pushed and pressured by his neo-colonial Western masters US-EU and UN to salvage the disintegrating failure which is Ethiopian Woyane Zinawi regime’s occupation in Somalia and hiding it under the garb of the wholly irrelevant tfg warlords.
Today, turning to the incompetent and illegitimate Saudi regime is a direct result of the utter desperation and failure of the Western powers at any other way to sidestep the real question of dealing with and ending the irrational and unsustainable Ethiopian Occupation over Somalia.

The West wants to get away with murder in Somalia and have the Somali victim except the Ethiopian mass murderer’s conditions for peace to prevail. This is the real Great Game of the Horn and in the African-Arab world: will the Western powers give Somalia freedom or will they burn with their Ethiopian dog, who himself has vowed that the West will not be left unscathed in abandoning him with his fall in Mogadishu.

The Conflict in Somalia between the Ethiopian occupiers and the Hawiye and Somali peoples has now become truly a Vietnam in every single shape; it not just about the Ethiopian occupiers army leaving (they can’t, but must), it has become symbolic of great struggle between freedom and self-determination of the Third World peoples versus the West’s new anarchy-based politics of mass control in the 21st century.

Though Zinawi enjoys the broad support of the Neo-Colonial Western powers in invading Somalia, he is despite his cunning and street-smarts has fell into an African Vietnam of his own making. Today, Zinawi cannot even after genocide and mass murder say that a deal with even the Hawiye and Habr Gedir clans will ensure an end to the Resistance in Somalia nor will the death of Resistance leaders itself have any significant impact in the growing liberation struggle; it is morphed, transformed into a people’s Total War of Liberation which feeds off the very presence of the Ethiopian woyane occupiers and its massacres.

Such an Ethiopian occupation-genocide which continues to hurt not only the poor innocent Somali civilians and their livelihoods in Somalia, but also the very same Neo-Colonialist West’s own long-term and short-term geo-political strategy in preserving its regimes in the region. That is, the unintended consequences of their Ethiopian dog’s occupation and its failure today in Somalia now runs directly counterproductive to the original justifications for it, namely, safeguarding the fragile minority Woyane regime of Meles Zinawi’s Tigres. The Woyane Tigre Zinawi whose rule now is collapsing under its own genocidal violence in Mogadishu and Horn of Africa region despite the intense Western efforts to keep it intact in both Occupied Somalia and Ethiopia as whole.

As a result of the Saudi regime now failing just like the other failures—Somali warlords, miserable tribal conference of the hungry, Ethiopian occupiers war crimes, AC-130 air strikes, terrorism against civilians, chemical bombing of residential areas, assassinations of prominent journalists, elders, rapes against Somali women, torture, attack on free media houses, economic and food embargoes, destruction of vital infrastructure, well-funded disinformation campaigns and purposeful silence to the mass murders, fake tribal conferences and even production of “ jihadi videos” the latest with a clean shaved Hassan Turki calling for Liberation, as if this low-life brigand is fooling anyone but his Darood-Majeertyn cousins today— the criminal Arab regime in vitriolic fashion lashed out and in so doing give away the failed ploy.

This time unbelievably the Arabs lashed out against the very Somali Freedom struggle for which they loath and pray for its failure; with their spokesman a certain “Shaykh” Mohammad Al Zofa member of so called Saudi Arabia's Shura (Consultative) Council, telling the BBC Arabic Service— in response to the unwavering rejection of the Alliance for the Re-Liberation of Somalia and heated conservation with its Chairman Sharif Sheikh Ahmed— said:

“The opposition, such as the Islamist oppositions everywhere, sadly do not even have any vision of solutions to the problems in hotspot areas in the Arab and Muslim world," added Mohamed Al Zofa.” ( BBC News, “Somali clan unity deal rejected” http://news.bbc.co.uk).

This is the Saudi regime’s reply to and directly motivated by their wanton hubris shattered in thinking that Somali nationalists and principled ARS movement whose homeland is being brutally occupied and whose loved ones are being destroyed by Ethiopian tanks and attack helicopters bought, repaired and deployed with Western and also generous Arab money, who are attempting to free themselves as we speak, would even entertain partaking in such a charade as the warlord get-together orchestrated by the Saudi rulers in Jeddah.

In fact, Shaykh Sharif spoke for all of us( especially those like myself who have consistently from day one documented the helping role of the Arab League, along with the African Union talk shop in the invasion and occupation-genocide of Somalia, in particular Mogadishu in the disastrous 2006 Christmas War of Aggression spearheaded by the US-backed Woyane Meles regime) that:

“The head of the Islamic Courts organisation, Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmad, told the BBC Arabic Service that the Mogadishu and Jeddah talks did not represent a serious effort to achieve Somali reconciliation. He said: "There was no conference for reconciliation in Somalia. It was a conference of division."
And he added: "There is no legitimate government in Somalia. What is there is occupation."
Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmad added: "The Saudi brothers would have been expected to stand by their Somali brothers. But it seems that they wanted to promote this failed and wretched conference to destroy what is left of Somalia's unity." (BBC News, “Somali clan unity deal rejected” http://news.bbc.co.uk).

The fact that Chairman Sharif, who had privately told the Saudi despot in diplomatic but no uncertain terms that “ Sorry, we have work to do, namely, have our homeland to free from Ethiopian genocide-occupation to waste our time in Jeddah however generous your offer to host us, perhaps you would have understood as does the whole Muslim world that today Somalia ceases to exist, is undergoing Ethiopian Occupation violence, sorry that you did not understand, perhaps you will now.”

The real question to ask is: Are the Arabs for real in this? Even if there was to be any discussion between the Somali Liberation and the evildoers: who would it be with if not the Ethiopian occupiers who are the ones controlling, murdering, destroying and occupying Somalia? Would it be with the irrelevant tfg warlords, what if anything can the Darood warlord Abdullahi Yusuf and the imbeciles Ali Mahdi, Ali Gheedi do in Somalia destiny, in fact, there is no credence to even see them anything as the Tigre’s playthings in Mogadishu, namely, Col. Gabre’s “comfort girls”.

Arab Hubris towards Somalia Crisis

So, this self-inflated pride of the Saudi Arabs’ which was the warlord get together that failed in Jeddah this week—might I add misplaced hubris of the Arabs in thinking that now was the opportune to laugh at Somalia, specifically, in their fallacy and dimwittedness in persuading themselves into believing that:

“ Well, now that the Somalis’ homeland and capital has been irrevocably destroyed by our boy Zinawi and they Somalis are under his Occupation rule, this must teach this little African group a lesson not to ever up-stage us Arabs and embarrass us with the very Islam by making Islam the credit for theirs Somalia’s freedom, reconciliation and peace from US-backed warlordism in 2006”.

For which Sheikh Sharif and the ASR rightly responded to by putting the Arab’s hubris into its right place, namely, by rudely re-awakening them to the long established reality that where these Somalis are concerned they do not ever bow to humiliation, certainly not from the West’s vassal and impotent Arabs who were anyhow useless to begin with.

The simple truth of it is the Arab regimes, rather than feeling any kind of stirring brotherhood or desire to help the Somalis as Muslims or even as a victimized people- have always felt a strong(however irrational) threat and aversion to Somalia’s re-liberation and sovereignty from Ethiopia.

It is just not the fact of the Arab regimes fears over what a prosperous Somalia will do in the region with respect to presumed hydrocarbon deposits or how Somali statehood will call into question the horrendous condition of the much abused African Diaspora migrants residing their along with native Saudi-African population living in Saudi Arabia( some of whom quite recently as 1960s were considered as personal property, slaves).

But rather, as Gill Lusk of Africa Confidential magazine revealed the background— the root causes— of not only Western but also general Arab anti-ICU and anti-Somali position in his invocative piece “Somalia: In The Eye Of The Storm”, namely when he observed:

“Warlord terror: President Abdullahi Yusuf's transitional government is the outcome of endless meetings among Somalia's leaders: many spent two years talking in Kenyan hotels until donors pulled the plug.

One weakness of the administration is that not all members have the interests of their people at heart. The other side of this coin is that many warlords are now in government.

This is one reason why some Somalis, traditionally of a politically secularist bent, seem nostalgic for the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) which took power in Mogadishu in June 2006.

And this is where the US comes in: the people the UIC captured power from were a collection of warlords gathered in the short-lived US-backed Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism.

The warlords involved had often brought terror - though not Islamist terror - to Somalia and it was hardly surprising that many people welcomed the UIC takeover, which brought a semblance of peace.

However, it also brought Islamist politics - which set alarm bells ringing within Somalia itself and in neighbouring Ethiopia and Kenya, not to mention nearby Arab countries. It was also a setback for the US, which has its regional spearhead in the "war on terror" - the Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa - in Djibouti. (By Gill Lusk of Africa Confidential
Free online content from BBC Focus on Africa magazine http://www.bbc.co.uk )

Conclusion: Historic roots of the Arabs’ Anti-Somali stance go back to pre-Colonialism

Two enduring historical facts which help explain the Arabs attitude towards Somalia’s occupation:

Arab regimes’ negative involvement and intentional indifference to the Ethiopian aggression against Somalia is not new, but in fact has a long track record in the region. As the much respected Somali Nationalist, the northern Isaak General Jama Mohamed Ghalib ( author of the much acclaimed The Cost of Dictatorship: The Somali Experience( 1993) and a self-educated Somali man with sense of honesty and national dignity lost in subsequent generation) observed in a recent lecture on the 1977 Ethio-Somalian War that it was the Saudi ruler Fahd along with Gulf Arab states who initially cut off the assistance just when the Somalis were nearing present day Nazret(Adama) chasing the occupying Ethiopian army from contested Somali lands back into Habasha-occupied Oromia ( i.e. Addis Ababa garrisons) and then it was the same “Arab Saudi brothers” who refused upon urging from the US government of Gerald Ford NOT TO SELL Somalia much needed military hardware(materiel) to safeguard the failing counter-attack under the incompetent leadership of the Darood-Marehan Mohamed Ali Samatar—presently a fugitive war criminal wanted for genocide in northern Somalia in 1980s who is residing in the US and now in slum house in Rome. Had the Arabs sold the much needed arms to the hard pressed Somalis even at extortionist prices, there would have been some breathing space against the combined Ethiopian, Soviet, Cuban and South Yemen forces assault who were anyway receiving help with American aerial surveillance and from the Arabs coffers themselves—the 1977 War was in fact the only time according to military historians and Time Magazine where the two antagonistic powers, namely American and USSR Superpowers and their Arab vassal fiefdoms were in full agreement to support Mengistu’s Ethiopia in the war against Somalia under the dictatorship of Siyad Barre. However, this in itself does very little to explain historically why the Arabs refused to sell arms to Somalia at the time and overtly and directly sided with the pro-Ethiopian anti-Somali coalition even before the Americans had asked them to so?! ( Listen to General Qalib and Col. Omar Hashi recollection on the 1977 War at http://www.qaadisiya.com)
Again, we have but to look no further then at the Arab role in facilitating the initial European Italian colonization of Southern Somalia in the late 1880s and early 20th century, namely, the treachery and hubris of the Omani Arabs. It was no one other than Sultan of Zanzibar, the Omani Arab Seyyid Khalifa Said who signed over in various stages in the 1880s what was to become Italian Somaliland for a paltry sum to the Italian Colonialists. This even though it was the Somali Hawiye who in the 1500s offered Mogadishu as a sanctuary for the fleeing Omani Arabs driven from Zanzibar by the ruthless Portuguese Colonialists under Joao Homere de Almeida's fleet— they repaid the favor by selling Somali and Hawiye lands though they very well knew it and the Somali people did not belong to them nor as events in present day Zanzibar have proven it wasn’t in their own long term interest to weaken popular Somali resistance to the European Colonization, just look now its fruits in its crimes in the East Africa coast against Muslim African populations can be read by Human Rights Watch and other organizations documented abuse and violence at the hands of the Colonial inspired Kenyan and Tanzanian regime against the native African Muslims and Arabs in Melindi, Mombassa, and Zanzibar!
Whereas, we Somalis have always consistently empathized with the Arab nations( in fact Somalia, though it has received nothing from it is a full member of the League of Arab States( LAS) ) be it in the loss of life in Palestinian-Israeli Conflict, the current bloody American occupation of Iraq or even Gemal Abdul Nasser’s struggle to free Egypt, and the Arab and African/Muslim world from the shackles of European colonialism— has borne the Somali citizen today no fruit from the Arab side. Just the opposite, with Arab regimes since the Omani Arab’s betrayal of the Muslim Somali *brothers* actively supporting those destroying the Somali people, the Arabs have shown nothing for Somalia’s membership in the Arab League. Today, it is not just the Saudi despots but all Arab rulers seeing it fit to take upon themselves(as Sheikh Sharif has rightly said) to partake in the destruction and displacement of whatever is left of the oppressed Somali people under US-Arab backed Ethiopian occupation-genocide 2007.

Yet, as the Somali freedom and liberation struggle intensifies against the Occupation of Somalia so too do we see the reactionary Neo-Colonial powers and their lapdogs—the Zinawi regime, Arab tyrannies who subsidize it, the African banana dictatorships led by Zinawi and Museveni the Butcher of Uganda and his criminal AMISOM mercenaries etc— in faint hopes that the Somalia Sun of freedom and liberation will not raise, but they know, as we all know( including the Saudis themselves) that this Sun’s blinding rays shall pierce the hearts of the evildoers who are holding our homeland and destroying everything in Somalia for no good reason, not even their own!

We appeal and as the Arab people of good will not to side with their regimes against Somalia’s wellbeing, which is in support of the indefensible the Ethiopian occupation and genocide of Somalia led by the fanatic Christian Habasha regime of Ethiopia!

Dr. M. Omar Hashi
E-Mail:wadijir@hotmail.com

[Somali2003]

Cabdilahi252, You proved my point. Let your opponent target those who are for the occupation like the Majeerteen. They are the ones who invoke this unity for political ends.

I don't want to share the blame with you and i am tired of defending your weak tribe when Hawiye and Isaaq lump it with the rest of Daarood.

[Ican]

What proof do you have that all hawiye hate 'Darood'? You can't talk about tribalism being a problem and then proceed to stereotype people.

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Somali2003"]Let your opponent target those who are for the occupation like the Majeerteen. They are the ones who invoke this unity for political ends. I don't want to share the blame with you and i am tired of defending your weak tribe when Hawiye and Isaaq lump it with the rest of Daarood.[/quote]





Somali2003,

This very elementery concept is what I was trying to explain to people time and time again but hey had a tough time digesting it for some reason.

[Camel_herder]

@ cabdallah252

and pussies like you, like to call upon "Darbi Darood" and Gaasdhagoole when your in trouble.

Bytch get off our nutz, we don't need Darood, not now, and not ever.

If anything ceeb clans like you need our help.

kulahaa Leelkase need the Darood Card!

Fock that, it's the biggest joke

If anything, i'm Leelkase and for all i care, the rest of Darood can go extinct and disappear, lol...walaahi they are meaningless to me.
(it's ramadan, and walaahi i'm not lying, all my friends are non-Darood, majority Hawiye walaahi)

I'm Leelkase, Tanade, and all i rely on is Allah firstly, then my Leelkase in Somalia, Korshe(Tanade) in Ethiopia, and the Xawaadle.

the rest can succkk my nutz.

[DawladSade]

[quote="Somali2003"]Cabdilahi252, You proved my point. Let your opponent target those who are for the occupation like the Majeerteen. They are the ones who invoke this unity for political ends.

I don't want to share the blame with you and i am tired of defending your weak tribe when Hawiye and Isaaq lump it with the rest of Daarood.[/quote]

[Regina George]

You started off saying this:

[quote="Somali2003"]Somalia's problem is tribalism. Once you stop hating a whole tribe and nation and start thinking of working together , then you have a viable solution.[/quote]


And then you said this..

[quote="Somali2003"]Cabdilahi252, You proved my point. Let your opponent target those who are for the occupation like the Majeerteen. They are the ones who invoke this unity for political ends.

I don't want to share the blame with you and i am tired of defending your weak tribe when Hawiye and Isaaq lump it with the rest of Daarood.[/quote]


Contradiction much?

And LOOOOOOOL @ Luq and Dawlad cheerleading for you. You're all pathetic man.