How does Ayrow's death "severely weaken" al-Shabbab?

[James Dahl]

The western press are rejoicing at the killing of Ayrow, but I don't see this as the huge success that the US hopes it would be. He was one of the UIC/Shabbab's better commanders, but they have LOTS of commanders. If anything, this will solidify Mukhtar Robow as overall leader of the resistance. And to be honest, this may actually strengthen it, as Ayrow was a loose cannon and embarrassed the resistance many times with his overzealousness and cruelty.

To be honest I'm a bit happy that the Shabbab is fully under the control of Mukhtar Robow. He at least has never committed an atrocity, while Ayrow has a history of them going back to Bu'ale. Ayrow helped to further the military success of al-Shabbab, but he's done terrible things to their reputation. I'm actually glad he didn't survive to become part of the post-Ethiopian administration.

[fagash_killer]

did you hear him speaking at bbc. he is not a straight speaker but he keep going in circles.this will for sure weakend his group cuss sheikh shariff said ineey dood lagalayaan you can hear and feel that he is under pressiure by his own group. while abu mansuur is calling for an continue jihaad this is not how you fight a war. he said cadowgaa ilaheey our country is called smalia not one of these arab states who speak always in the name of allah. sonalia will and cannot become an other iraq.

guul kill all these nabad diiids

[eternauta]

Analysts say the strike is likely to harden extremists and make it more difficult to appeal to moderate elements in the Islamist movement, which contains many clan members, businessmen and members of the Somali Diaspora.

Iise Ali Geedi, an analyst at the Somali University, says the attacks will increase anti-American sentiment. The attack may also weaken the position of the prime minister, who wishes to bring more militant elements into the talks against the wishes of the president.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_ ... _airstrike

[James Dahl]

I never cared for Ayrow personally. It was Ayrow and his faction in the UIC that always gave me second thoughts about the UIC, and that maybe neither them or the TFG should rule.

At first I figured Mukhtar Robow was like Ayrow, but over the last year he has really become a heroic figure, who never did the sorts of atrocities and cruelties that Ayrow did. My opinion of him really changed with the interview he gave with Unreported World.

You just have to look at the difference between Ayrow's campaign in Hiraan and Middle Shabelle, and Mukhtar Robow's campaign in Bay and Bakool.

[King-of-Awdal]

If u truly are a canadian as u claim and white, than why the fack do u care, well obviously ur a non muslim and would be happy with another muslim's death. I suggest u get the fack outta here u brainless canucuk.

[James Dahl]

Why would I be happy that he's dead because he's muslim? I thought he was a loose cannon and made al-Shabbab look bad sometimes, but I didn't hate him. I had and still have nothing against the guy. Al-Shabbab had already taken steps to limit his role anyways, so it was entirely unnecessary to kill him.

[King-of-Awdal]

What ever dude. All christians are happy when a muslim dies. Also i dont understand why u alwayz bring ur bullshit and maps among us. Ur not Somali, so dont be talkn about somali states or clans. Go divide up Canada into english and french parts.

[James Dahl]

Well, I'm not Christian, but I know that's not true.
I can tell you're upset, so I'll just leave it at that.

[King-of-Awdal]

Dude am not mad. am just curious out of all countries in Africa why are u interested in somali affairs. why not talk about Darfur and other places and join their forums. we dont like outsiders and especially those who wanna divide us more than we already are.

[James Dahl]

I'm not pro-division of Somalia or anyone else. I support the creation of federal states in order to bring together some semblance of national unity. Somalia is divided already, to the maximum extent that it can be, measures must be taken to put things back together, and I for one subscribe to the "building blocks" theory.

As to why Somalia, I don't really know myself. There's something about Somalia that I can't explain. Darfur is interesting in its own way, but it's more of a tribal-regional power play between Chad and Sudan. Somalia is unique.

[mujahid1]

The western press are rejoicing at the killing of Ayrow, but I don't see this as the huge success that the US hopes it would be. He was one of the UIC/Shabbab's better commanders, but they have LOTS of commanders. If anything, this will solidify Mukhtar Robow as overall leader of the resistance. And to be honest, this may actually strengthen it, as Ayrow was a loose cannon and embarrassed the resistance many times with his overzealousness and cruelty.

To be honest I'm a bit happy that the Shabbab is fully under the control of Mukhtar Robow. He at least has never committed an atrocity, while Ayrow has a history of them going back to Bu'ale. Ayrow helped to further the military success of al-Shabbab, but he's done terrible things to their reputation. I'm actually glad he didn't survive to become part of the post-Ethiopian administration.

YOU ARE SO SICK JAMES DAHL. ADAN WASN'T BEHIND THE BU'ALE THING IT WAS HASAN TURKIS MEN AND DON'T FORGET ABU MANSUR AND CAYROW APPEARED IN A VIDEO TOGETHER WHICH HASN'T BEEN SEEN BY MANY. YOU'RE JUST BRAINWASHED BY YOUR AMERICAN MEDIA AGAINST THE WAR ON ISLAM. AND PLEASE TELL ME THE ATROCITIES HE COMMITED. AND ALSO DONT FORGET THE TURKIS MEN IN BU'ALE GOT PUNISHED WHEN THEY KILLED THEIR OPPONENTS. THEY WERE PUNISHED ACCORDING TO SHARIA LAW.

[James Dahl]

Really? I heard the Bu'ale massacre was Ayrow. Alright fair enough then, the black mark is upon Turki.
I'm well aware that Mukhtar Robow and Adan Ayrow were close friends and compatriots, I am sorry I gave the impression that they were at odds somehow.
Aden Ayrow still has to answer for the deaths of the teachers in Beledweyne, and the assasinations of civilian TFG officials in Mogadishu, at least as far as I'm concerned. These are the atrocities of which I speak, and the reason why I am more comfortable with Mukhtar Robow.

To compare it to the Cuban Revolution, Mukhtar Robow is more like Fidel Castro, while Aden Ayro was more like the firebrand Che Guevera.

[mujahid1]

YOU ARE SO SICK MAN. BELEDWEYNE IS A TOWN IN A REGION WHERE CAYROW DOESN'T COME FROM IT WASN'T WHO WAS BEHIND THAT. AND ABU MANSUR SAID THEY WERE KILLED ACCIDENTALLY(TEACHERS). GOD WILLING WE WILL REVENGE THE DEATH OF CAYROW AMIN AMIN. AND THAT WAS WHAT ABU MANSUR SAID. THE DEATH OF OFFICIALS IN THE CAPITAL WASNT THE WORK OF CAYROW IT WAS THE WORK OF LOCAL SHABAAB LEADERS. AND MY COUSIN WAS AN TFG OFFICIAL WHO WAS KILLED BY THE SHABAAB. BUT MY FAMILY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS THE WORK OF CAYROW IT WAS THE LOCALS IN THE CAPITAL. BUT STILL I'M NOT AGAINST THE SENIOR LEADERS ONLY THE SMALL LEADERS. AND YOU'D BE KILLED IF YOU TOLD ABU MANSUR THAT YOU WERE HAPPY ABOUT THE DEATH OF CAYROW.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Allah and the believers refuse anything except Jihad against the invaders.

This war will continue.

[James Dahl]

Fair enough then, I suppose I assumed incorrectly that Ayrow was in charge of the whole eastern/central campaign of al-Shabab.

If he had nothing to do with the slayings in the capital and the tragedy in Hiraan, then he is innocent of wrongdoing and his death was unjust. I take back what I said previously.