Ramifications of Exclusion from Vision 2016 Processes

[KyrieJama]

Khaatumo and its Pres. Ali Khalif Galaydh are a pragmatic bunch, who have changed the political mindset and vision of Dhulbahante.

Beforehand, the clan lacked political leadership; led by idealistic and divided Garaad who had one foot in SL and the other in PL but supported and rallied behind the hopes of a return of a united pre-civil war Somalia controlled via Mogadishu.

We can all agree Dhulbahante have been completely out of touch with the post-civil war political dynamics in Somalia.

Accordingly, Prof. Ali Khalif has methodically laid out the truth to Dhulbahante. Today, we are in this alone, forget about Daroodnimo, Hartinimo, and Somalinimo; just like everyone we must seek our own interests above all. Khaatumo did not sell out and engage our neighbors to reach our goals. Instead of calling for war vs. SL, Khaatumo opted to strengthen local political awareness/participation (in this context war is not in the interest of all parties involved), and exercised diplomatic channels to assess the available modes of inclusion in national programs such as Vision 2016.

The federal gov't and international stakeholders now have a renewed interest in the area, but for several reasons refuse to give Khaatumo a seat at the table. Not because it recognizes PL as the sole representative of this population per se, but are apprehensive and cautiously tiptoeing around the conundrum in the disputed regions.

Finally after concluding a much needed meeting in Buuhoodle with politicians and elders representing the Warsangeli clan, a high level delegation from Khaatumo and Makhir (Warsan) departed to Nairobi to meet with international stakeholders and diplomats with a vested interest in Somalia and then to Mogadishu.

Their agenda is to reiterate their desire to be included in the National Vision 2016 plans? Request a seat at the table, with Dhulbahante and Warsangeli united as a joint stakeholder. And be given a definitive answer, will they be included or excluded?

And if they are not included, for all parties (SFG and IC) to support talks/dialogue with Somaliland. It is simple, today we will weigh our options, if there is no room at the table we will explore other avenues.

Minus the cantarbaqash, how do you guys see the cookie crumbling at the end? Or efforts in Hiiran and Shabeele Dhexe will finalize the processes w/o meaningful engagement in Sool and Sanaag?

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

It doesn't matter if Khaatumo is recognised as a federal state, it will not change anything on the ground because Khaatumo doesn't have any territorial control over the areas it claims. Buhoodle isn't controlled by Somaliland because Siilanyo doesn't allow the army to enter it. The former chief of army, General Jidhif, was sacked for this back in 2012. I fail to see how Khaatumo can be established without any major war breaking out in Somaliland.

Or it can be like a city state, our very own Somali Singapore in Buhoodle

[thegoodshepherd]

Cali Khalif seems to want to leave a legacy for his people. Although I disagree with his politics, I can't deny that he is working for what he sees as the interest of Reer Siciid.

@grumpy, we all know there is no such thing as an "army" in Togdheer. Meesha beelo aya lo kala jooga. Somaliland "army" waa militia qabil just like the militias in Budhoodle.

[mahoka]

Cali Khalif seems to want to leave a legacy for his people. Although I disagree with his politics, I can't deny that he is working for what he sees as the interest of Reer Siciid.

@grumpy, we all know there is no such thing as an "army" in Togdheer. Meesha beelo aya lo kala jooga. Somaliland "army" waa militia qabil just like the militias in Budhoodle.

horta do you believe if you spit enough bullshit people will magically believe it. Militia army dont hold back, the SL army has been holding back unlike the majeerten tribal syndicate who have been killing dhulo for refusing to come under their rule

[mahoka]

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[Lancer]

What is actually the territories "Khaatumo" claims? Sool Sanaag Cayn? Seeing how they claim "Cayn" which doesn't exist according to the pre-1991 state borders instead of Toghdeer tells me they only want the darood inhabited areas. In that case how their state would fly when they don't meet the two state or more requirements. If the Mogadishu government recognizes them, then what will prevent clans elsewhere from having their own states drawn along clan lines?

[TheblueNwhite]

Khatumo, where are thou?

[Rambie]

Garad are you still holding on to Khatumo?
Either way, Galydh can't even enter Sool forget about
waging war against SL. Only if SFG supported him with money and
arms, than you might have a point. God knows how the south doesn't give a rat
ass about Dhulos. All this lip service and coming/going from and to Xamar didn't materialize
anything since 2010, why would they do now?

For argument sake, let's assume that SFG backed you up.
They can't do anything because the regions of Sool & Sanaag are shared.
If they do recognize Khatumo claims over these areas, than it will open the cane
of warms all over southern Somalia. Cayn (Buuhoodle district) is out of discussion it's a mere district within
Toghdheer which is also shared with non-Dhulos, self defeating case if you asked me.

[Rambie]

Look in this brief report from the security council
just two months ago. They're identifying "Khatumoo" as the separatist
party (not Soamliland ) The world is not even seeing you as a state, but as a tribal, violent and shortsighted military movement.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 15_702.pdf

[BigBreak]

its a fact that both sool and sanaag are each composed of an isaaq majority and that the harti of somaliland need to understand and an independent, united somaliland is their only option if they wish to survive

[Niya]

Look in this brief report from the security council
They're identifying "Khatumoo" as the separatist
party (not Soamliland )

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/at ... 15_702.pdf

Khatuumo is seen as separatist from both Somailand and Puntland and the reference was about Khatuumo. Somaliland is seen as a separatist from Somalia............apples and oranges.

[mahoka]

i say let the dhulo take their half of sool

[Bandit]

You don't get anything through talking you only get it through killing your enemy denying of the existence of Dhulbahante trash who work for isaaq is a big mistake second problem is mj these 2 groups have to be killed off their existence is the sole couse of all our problems
As for isaaq what they do is irrelevant they have no man on the ground when they do deploy their own men they usually get there ass kicked
Maybe ali khalif should start listening

[JSL3000]

This one is easy to answer.Khatuumo isn't recognized by dowlada xamar because it doesn't fit the two state requirement for federal state and doesn't have control over its own land. Dhulos don't not have full support or complete control of the areas they claiming because isaaq resides in those very same areas they wish to depart with. Warsangeli doesn't support khatumo because they don't want dhulos claiming there land also,so the whole notion of a dhubahante state craved out from somaliland is a sucidal mission to begin with.
And in the somalia the hawiye in dowlada xamar don't want another darood mini state, they already have enough darood mini states to deal with such as puntland and jubaland administrations. They rather focus on reinforcing more hawiye states such galmudug and hiraan shebelle state to balance it out. Therefore no one really cares what the dhulos say or do they just like the boy that cried wolf

[JSL3000]

The dhulos are the worst tribalist qabilist sect of darood and they all are half isaaq, they hate their own blood that run thru their veins , so they are a disgraceful people even the other darood look down on them as half breeds.MJ fuk them over, MR use them as condom and toss them after a nutt. finally at the end of the day they run back to isaaq men they only true brother and repent for forgiveness and a job, what a useless inbred, they are definition of caaqli gaab

they are just darood lackeys they bend over backwards, just pathetic darood slaves