Farmaajo hobyo port and not baadheera dam

[Nomand]

why is farmaajo talking about building a port in hobyo? why are marehan cursed to always help other regions and not our own? why is farmaajo not fighting for a dam project in baardheera which would transform gedo overnight into the richest gobol in somalia and a powerhouse.

have we not learned anything from 1991?

my questions is towards the marehan. i want us to be as selfish as MJ and HAG, what has a HAG president done for us? they sold our seas to kenya and allowed kenya to come in.

its time to forget about the cursed somaliweyn and fight farmaajo to implement the dam project, we have gained nothing from his presidency. While others are getting $200 million port in hobyo.

[Voltage]

Nice try.

Is there a single Marehan that can vouch for this guy? And please Saddam, please don't start with I know him through Somalispot. I long ago observed Nomand to be part of the Ashlee/Paidmonk crew who kept an interlocutor nick among us here.

Dude LITERALLY is the dictionary example of a 5th column. Never presents something positive. Never has been a participant of our comraderie here (its very hard if you really aren't tol---you will be called out in two seconds if you are trying to fake knowledge of Sade, families, people). Never partakes in Sade only discussions (again you will be caled out in two seconds). Never is part of uplifting Sade

Nomand literally has a single function.

Come in as a flame thrower to start or excescerbate cyber warfare and when Marehan is insulted---dude literally does nothing to actually defend Sade. His counter responses would be labeled weak if he was actually Marehan, but they aren't weak because he never meant to try. Every single post I have observed of this guy is 5th column. Keeping thr flame war going and misusing the Sade name is his only intention.

Look at this Hobyo thing. Classic Ashlee/Paidmonk/MJ crew shenanigans. I have literally never seen a single Marehan even talk or bring up or would ever think of using the building of Hobyo port as an argument. It's not even Marehan dhaqan/dabeecad to pull this development at the expense of others mindset. Yet I have literally seen tens of Majerteen laser focus on it in real life and onlinr. I don't know what is wrong with our MJ cousins, but they can't let anyone else have anything. You would think having Bosaaso port for MJ/Puntland with HG/Galmudug having none would placate them, but the standard response is why didn't Farmaajo build a port in Garacad?

First of all, the decision to build Hobyo Port wasn't made by Farmaajo. This isn't a dictatorship. Part of the country's development plan is for every Federal State to have a port. The Qataris literally volunteered to both upgrade Kismaayo Port (which has not gone through because of the Madoobe issue) and build the port at Hobyo for Galmudug. So this isn't money coming from the Somali gov or even money Qatar was like "hey we want to give you this money, what do you want to do with it." It was literally Qatar saying "hey we will come up with funds and plans to do these parts of your development goal."


1.It is absolutely the vital interest of Marehan that Hobyo Port is built. It will be the closest Port to Marehan which will save Marehan a fortune in transportation, food/lodging, security, and other expenses related to the long trek by central Marehans to Boosaaso Port. I can see why MJ would be mad, but Marehan literally save a fortune.
2. Hobyo Port is being built for Galmudug not HG. This isn't 1994 or even 2004 or even 2014 where a sub-clan puts a isbaaro and office and collects money for their tribe. The administration over Hobyo Port will be the Galmudug administration and the taxes collected will be going into the pile where all other Galmudug taxes go. Galmudug taxes have already contributed to Marehan through Galmudug State's part of the university being built in Caabudwaaq, the hospital that was established in Balanbale, and the current plans to link Caabudwaaq by paved road to the north /south Highway.
3. Hobyo Port is just the first stage. Garacad will be built by the Turks and Eyl baa the Chinese. Harardheere and Warsheekh further south are also being built. Basically this isn't zero sum game. We should support all projects.

Finally, about Baardheere.

1. The government isn't even paying a cent into Hobyo Port whereas it coughed up hundreds of thousands of dollars to give a permanent fix to Baardheere bridge for the first time since the Siad Barre government. So the idea behind this post which is Marehan hasn't seen investment is ridiculous.

2. In terms of money, Baardheere Dam would be one of the most expensive projects in African history, let alone Somalia or comparison to one of these small ports for $170 million like Hobyo Port. The low estimate for Baardheere Dam was $438 Million in 1981. In today's money, that is almost $1.2 BILLION dollars.

3. Even if Somalia had the money to build it, it would have to undertake a massive environmental impact assessment, spend tons of money on new water resource infrastructure downstream, and have to find and cultivate the technology and brains to keep the dam working and in good shape.

4. Even if Somalia had the money and all that other infrastructure, the Jubba River would have to be the right candidate for putting a dam. The Jubba may be a little better than the Shabelle which becomes dry before even hitting the Indian Ocean most of the year, but the Jubba is still a SLEEPING, MEANDERING slow moving river. People don't understand but this was a prime reason for not going a head with the dam in the first place. Do not read small unimportant references to how good the Dam would be, read the World Bank, US Army Corps of Engineers, etc who all said it was bad investment back in the 80's.

5. Even if all the both were perfect with money, infrastructure, brains, and great, rushing water source, THE JUBBA RIVER CROSSES INTERNATIONAL LINES. A dam at Baardheere would not only have tremendous consequences downstream to the Indian Ocean but also tremendous consequences upstream to Ethiopia and the Ganale and Dawa Rivers that supply 1/3 of Ethiopia's agricultural land. This is not a unilateral decision for even Somalia alone an issue for a CLAN. There would have to be strong bilateral negotiations about water resource management and sharing between Somalia and Ethiopia.

6. In my opinion, if it is ENERGY that Somalia wanted as electricity from the Dam, invest in solar panels and green technology. Somalia literally is all blazing sunshine which can now be harnessed as energy. We literally can cut our energy coasts in half in two seconds through emphasis on green/solar saving methods. For example even every village should be ablaze with lights at night through cheap solar streer lights that charge all day when the sun is out and on all night

7. If it is FLOOD CONTROL it wanted, both the Shabelle and Jubba become more dry usually than flood. For flood control smaller and much cheaper mechanisms like REFORESTATION, hard levees that go up and then open small channels to diver the overflowing river are small scale technologies Somalia should ALREADY be applying

8. If it is for IRRIGATION it wanted, again digging small channels to divert river water to farms and then holding them in canals and resorviors are small scale and cheaper technologies.

Finally, Baardheere Dam is not feasible. Never was. That's why it was abandoned in the 80's. Even if it was feasible, if Marehan want it, they should go and ask for it on its own merit NOT as some zero-sum-game petty tribal competition to other genuinely positive investments for Somalia.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I have nothing to do with this. He claims your clan. You verify him. I only vouched for nine and Ugaaska

[Voltage]

I have nothing to do with this. He claims your clan. You verify him. I only vouched for nine and Ugaaska

He claims reer Siyaad? The fact I still do not know him already confirms my hypothesis.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I have nothing to do with this. He claims your clan. You verify him. I only vouched for nine and Ugaaska

He claims reer Siyaad? The fact I still do not know him already confirms my hypothesis.

Reer Kooshin I think. I don't know nothing of Reer Diini's inner workings not their jiffo hoose haha

[Nomand]

saddam,

siyad barre build berbera port, has marehan benefited?
siyad barre build the bosaso port, has marehan benefited?

whether you like it or not all those national assets now belong to a qabil

when Farmaajo finishes his term is there a single tangible evidence of him benefiting Marehan in anyway. Even if he gets rid of Madoobe i guarantee you 100% he will bring another ogadeen as to not seem qabiliste even though marehan are the majority.

[Voltage]

saddam,

siyad barre build berbera port, has marehan benefited?
siyad barre build the bosaso port, has marehan benefited?

whether you like it or not all those national assets now belong to a qabil

when Farmaajo finishes his term is there a single tangible evidence of him benefiting Marehan in anyway. Even if he gets rid of Madoobe i guarantee you 100% he will bring another ogadeen as to not seem qabiliste even though marehan are the majority.

Go away please.

[Nomand]

saddam,

siyad barre build berbera port, has marehan benefited?
siyad barre build the bosaso port, has marehan benefited?

whether you like it or not all those national assets now belong to a qabil

when Farmaajo finishes his term is there a single tangible evidence of him benefiting Marehan in anyway. Even if he gets rid of Madoobe i guarantee you 100% he will bring another ogadeen as to not seem qabiliste even though marehan are the majority.

Go away please.

Did not know you owned somalinet. Now you going to your brother and ask him to delete post like you always do.

this guy thinks somalilent is his house, where he has to know everyone, you think anyone cares whether you think they are marehan or not?

joined here in 2009 and i have 4000 post this guy is joined 2007 and has 27,000 posts, never heard anything more funny then him saying i observed you, walle this guy has to much time on his hands.

[Voltage]

saddam,

siyad barre build berbera port, has marehan benefited?
siyad barre build the bosaso port, has marehan benefited?

whether you like it or not all those national assets now belong to a qabil

when Farmaajo finishes his term is there a single tangible evidence of him benefiting Marehan in anyway. Even if he gets rid of Madoobe i guarantee you 100% he will bring another ogadeen as to not seem qabiliste even though marehan are the majority.

Go away please.

Did not know you owned somalinet. Now you going to your brother and ask him to delete post like you always do.

this guy thinks somalilent is his house, where he has to know everyone, you think anyone cares whether you think they are marehan or not?

joined here in 2009 and i have 4000 post this guy is joined 2007 and has 27,000 posts, never heard anything more funny then him saying i observed you, walle this guy has to much time on his hands.

Even the way you are responding to me is fake. Xoogsade used to say tricks are for kids. Generally I have ignored you except the once or twice you tried to play your games in my topics (come in, throw a flame, egg on a tribal bash warfare to disappear again), but the fact you had the nerve to actually start one of your 5th column type of shenanigans in a Gedo section topic made me chuckle.

Do you have anything better to do than turn Marehan against someone or something, because that's literally your entire purpose with this nick.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Whether or not he's a sheegato. He raised a valid point. Majority of the Beesha are tired of this Somaliweyn BS. We get nothing out of MX presidency. This feeling is only gonna increase not decrease. I support Farmaajo 100% but he's afraid of his own people when the era of being seen as qabiileste as a taboo is over. When Federalism is a sanctified dog whistle for tribal regionalism. It's okay to be for your clan in this era, the rules of the game permit it. The Kacaan and SYL 60s era are over.

[Voltage]

Whether or not he's a sheegato. He raised a valid point. Majority of the Beesha are tired of this Somaliweyn BS. We get nothing out of MX presidency. This feeling is only gonna increase not decrease. I support Farmaajo 100% but he's afraid of his own people when the era of being seen as qabiileste as a taboo is over. When Federalism is a sanctified dog whistle for tribal regionalism. It's okay to be for your clan in this era, the rules of the game permit it. The Kacaan and SYL 60s era are over.

I have literally said that. As have you. As has Grandpa. As has Murax. Etc. We all recognize this.

But that's not why this guy started this topic. I know MJs very well. The whole point of this topic was the whole petty obsession with Hobyo port

[Nomand]

Whether or not he's a sheegato. He raised a valid point. Majority of the Beesha are tired of this Somaliweyn BS. We get nothing out of MX presidency. This feeling is only gonna increase not decrease. I support Farmaajo 100% but he's afraid of his own people when the era of being seen as qabiileste as a taboo is over. When Federalism is a sanctified dog whistle for tribal regionalism. It's okay to be for your clan in this era, the rules of the game permit it. The Kacaan and SYL 60s era are over.

exactly, Farmaajo will be opposed and called a qabilite irregardless of what he does. i support farmaajo, but i now see truly what somalia is all about. If xamar the capital city is unuka leh what do you expect of hobyo port. i wish somalis would come together but it is pipe dream.

lets build our own house, why don't we demand projects from the government, why has farmaajo arrested janaan but no other high ranking individual on his level from another qabil.

i don't support janaan, but if he is being arrested then be consistent or we will become looma oyaans that can be arrested by the government with no repercussions

[Voltage]

Whether or not he's a sheegato. He raised a valid point. Majority of the Beesha are tired of this Somaliweyn BS. We get nothing out of MX presidency. This feeling is only gonna increase not decrease. I support Farmaajo 100% but he's afraid of his own people when the era of being seen as qabiileste as a taboo is over. When Federalism is a sanctified dog whistle for tribal regionalism. It's okay to be for your clan in this era, the rules of the game permit it. The Kacaan and SYL 60s era are over.

exactly, Farmaajo will be opposed and called a qabilite irregardless of what he does. i support farmaajo, but i now see truly what somalia is all about. If xamar the capital city is unuka leh what do you expect of hobyo port. i wish somalis would come together but it is pipe dream.

See this Saddam? We were posting the same response to you same time and notice how I told you this topic literally has nothing to do with Marehan. It was just the excuse for this guy to stage his Hobyo Port attack.

You have to understand what is being used to make a point by our fake friend Nomand.

Was Hobyo Port being used to make a point about Marehan or was Marehan BEING USED to make a point about/attack Hobyo Port?

One of them is being used to make a point about the other and I guarantee you when you answer that, you will start to understand this guy's motivations.

Another example, in the Beled-Weyne flooding topic in politics sectiin, he did his typical throw a flame to have Marehan (and Farmaajo through it) insulted and then left the scene.

there is fatahaad in goobweyne iyo baardheera, i want farmaajo to concentrate on that. and let hiirshabeele deal with their own issues.

What Marehan would say that? What Marehan would impugn Farmaajo's position as Somali President to otherize him as a Marehan regional mayor or something?

That's before you even get to the fact the natural Marehan dhaqan/dabeecad is to sympathize with the Beled-Weyne flood victims even while they call out the unfair attacks on Farmaajo.

Just like the regular Marehan dabeecad/dhaqan is ASK FOR THEIRS on their own merit instead of bitching about something done for Hobyo Port.

I am confident this guy is part of the Ashlee/Gemini/Paidmonk/Abdalla crew that apparently rolls around in Somalispot from one of the links you posted (never taken more than a brief look of that place since) and still has some residual nicks left around here. I literally would not put it past them to have this nick Nomand, among others, for years to troll tribal online warfare.

He literally serves no other purpose except to instigate (100% of his posts)

[Nomand]

went searching through my post, kkkk can't make this stuff up.

i see the internet is a sanctuary for him a safe space. Marehan is not a monolith, we don't have a single dhaqan we are a big tribe with big aspirations it seems your job is the keyboard warrior roll the sheild that guards the realm of the internet.

[grandpakhalif]

Nomand I absolutely agree with you, this Farmaajo has not built ONE road for his ancestral town cabudwaaq but has funded cadaado library, dhusomareeb stadium, galkacyo stadium and Wadada Afgooye-Balcad.

He has Done Nothing for us as a clan and deserves to be taken to question. marrhans leaders are useless and anti development, still believe we are in MSB centralism era.