Shabaab will never be defeated If you don’t control the rural population

[Rebelxx222]

40 to 60% of Somalia consists of rural population. In order to completely defeat Al-Shabab the Somali forces & government needs to control and monitor every village in the regions inch by inch. Only limiting ones ability to regional capitals or main towns will allow for terrorist groups to settle amongst the local nomadic population and will in return use them to collect unlawful taxes & force charity (zakat) and recruitment of young boys from each villages and clans under their newly acquired area.

There are some villages and towns where Al-Shabab has controlled for over 15 years!! The 15 year old male babies who were born since the capture of their villages up until they turn 18 which is usually the age of military services have only known 1 remaining force within their area. The years of propaganda & pressure they’ve underwent will have them becoming child soldiers for such a deadly group.

In Syria the government literally had to carpet bomb entire cities and towns because the ISIS group did not want to surrender their ideology & chose literal death & civilian human shields! The Somali government needs to defeat this dangerous group before they hide behind the countries population thus leaving civilians under their control as Collateral damage. In certain cases a state must make rational decisions in order to continue surviving as a state. At the moment I do not consider the Somali Federal government as a legitimate & serious government. If they somehow manage to become the once renowned Somali republic then they need to make decisions that will end this dangerous group once & for all.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

“China has two advantages. One is emptiness, the other is blankness, with no encumbrances of any kind. The United States in George Washington’s era was blank, so it could develop very rapidly. The Soviet Union was also blank… China’s industrial development can proceed more swiftly than the Soviet Union’s.”
Mao Zedong, 1956

The Grandmaster of Go

[noer]

ustad rebel. ur looking at part of the picture. u as cagder can't monitor other tribes' al shabab. if u wanna defeat al shabab in jubaland, u need cagder, marehan, n other tribes. all tribes against al shabab

u see this is the difference between sland n the ex italian colony. idoor like i would never kid ourselves that we can eradicate wasakhgali terrorists if they crossed from west bosaso into east badan. n wasakhgali terrorists in west bosaso never try to impose their terror ideology on idoor

the ex italian colony need to get real wit each other 1st. stop masking tribalism behind sh** like u need to control rural or the problem is farmers n sh** say wut tribe you dealing with when you say al shabab here or there

[Rebelxx222]

@Noer why do you type exactly the same in your other accounts like Tartar & Mahoka.

All 3 of your accounts have the same word for words being repeated, it’s like your not even trying to sound different

You are the least intelligent person on this site please stop involving yourself in educational threads like this. You contribute nothing & seem too repetitive with your Fkd

[original dervish]

One of the main problems us there isn't any real functioning government in Xamar.

Institution and capacity building hasn't expanded over the last ten years......corruption, division and incompetence perneates every government.

Unfortunately I can't see any improvement for the foreseeable future and as such the war against AS will ultimately fail.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

One of the main problems us there isn't any real functioning government in Xamar.

Institution and capacity building hasn't expanded over the last ten years......corruption, division and incompetence perneates every government.

Unfortunately I can't see any improvement for the foreseeable future and as such the war against AS will ultimately fail.

More and more are tired of the centre. Brazil built a new capital Brasilia and kept Rio as a cultural capital. The blood of the civil war still permeates it. As Somalis, we have to be frank and move it. And now with Abiy welcoming SL chief of police closer to spite HSM who should’ve been more strategic in how he undermined Ethiopia. This happens when you got a unaka leh mentality only in it for the money. Social media shows a lot

[sahal80]

Hada hadii Al Shabaab map la soo galiyo 90% of rural Hiiraan waa xor maaha kaliya deeganada beesha dhexe balse sidoo kale deegaanada beesha jijeele. Al Shabaab waxaysata ruralka Gaaljecel iyo hal tuulo oo badicade oo ayada xataa lagu dhex ugaarsadey sababta waa dadka deegaanka oo awooda la wareegay no SNA walaa Danab walaa gorgor. ciidan ma jooga hada from matabaan ilaa maxaas ilaa xadka ceelbuur ilaa koonfurta baladweyne waxay joogaan magaalooyinka waa weyn bas iyo furimaha dagaalka. ciidanka waa galaan waana kabaxaan sida kuwa Gedo oo markaste igu sawir sameeya dadkiina kuma safrikaraan countrysideka magaalooyinka u dhaxeeya

Danab waxay qabatey buqaqable waana ka baxdey laba maalin kadib maadana Gaaljecel lagu wareejiyo la waayey. kuwa dhahaya Ciidanka ayaa isbadalay oo saas u qabsadey Hiiraan waxaa ku filan fashilka buqaqable wax walbe waa dadka deegaanka. JL ciidan waxba ma xoreyn karo hadaysan heesan dadka deegaanka.

[Rebelxx222]

Sababta Al-Shabab Jubooyinka ka buuxaan is because the land is natural landscape for Guerrilla warfare. If the region has mountain or forest wee adag tahay in laga saaro meeshaas unless you have long strategic plan-set & a strong local military to root them out. For example in Hiiraan the landscape is much different. Bariga Hiiraan is much entirely liberated and the few areas they were removed from such as Yasooman which is a rocky area with natural caves (good for hiding)

Yasooman is strategic defense which is close to 2 small mountains
1 north of the village and 1 west towards Aboorey & Buuloburde.
Towards the eastern passage is Moqokori

North Eastern Hiiraan towards the Ethiopian border stability will very much impact the stability of Somali region in Ethiopia . If the northern parts of Hiiraan is left in chaos the stability of the Somali region will dramatically decrease. What matters at the moment is south and western parts of Hiiraan. The Jiijeele in Bakool and Hiiraan border is stabilized thanks to the clans cooperation with the DDS administration.

At the moment the Gaaljecl tribe is the only tribe that is pro Al-Shabab in the region and the other minorities.
Al-Shabab are smart. They brought reinforcements through Abgaals lands they control in order to cause division between Abgaal and Hawadle. Their tactic is to divide and rule the losers after those 2 tribes fight. In social media we have fools using the blame game on one other. The reinforcements came from Baay region and crossed into Middle Shabelle. The blame does not lie on the tribes but rather the administration in xamar.

[Rebelxx222]

I’ve noticed the Somali National Army at the moment is only built to fight a conventional warfare. They are at best good enough in securing some cities & towns but are not equipped enough to fight deep into the jungles!

[Rebelxx222]

Al- Qushaash leaders are eating all sorts of meals down in the paradise south. They only send their ignorant fighters to Mudug or parts of Hiiraan with dry landscape to die out in the wilderness

[sahal80]

Hiiraan miyaad Jubooyinka la simaysa? Jubooyinka waligood Al Shabaab waa ku jiri ama Amisom waa in tuulo kaste la geeyo!. JL ma qaban karto with only SNA or JL forces in cooperation with Ciidamada deegaanka like the SNA in Hiiraan did.

Hiiraan waa la yaqaan cidaha dega iyo sida loo kala dego Jubooyinks waa boob. Countryside of Kismaayo waa cawrmale iyo Gaaljecel ooy ku soo degeen " Harti" Daarood ilaa ay qabiilooyinkaas sheegtaan sida Cawramale oo warsangali ah iyo Aadan Axmed Gaaljecel oo hada laga dhigay Cusmaan maxmamuud bahgareen. Jubada dhexe is totally mixed every town is mixed even buaale and saakow you have nom daarood majority cities like Jilib iyo Jamaame oo jubada hoose ah. OG meesha ay kaligood degaan waa afmadoow iyo badhaadhe etc

this is Hiiraan clan. dhulka hada lahaaya dhan waa Xawaadle 90%
Jijeele ilaa ceelcade meel ay Gaaljecelka isku heestaan oo wadada bakool aada marta. Baadicade just Buurweyn. Fiidow is mixed hawadle ayaan u badan waa meesha uu baadicade ku dhamaado meeshaas ilaa Jowhar waa xawaadle. jimbileey is mixed

Jijeele laba waxey isku darsadeen beesha dhexe oo aad u hubeysa waa xusuusataan inay diideen buundada deefow iyo si Gaaljecelka magaalada looga dheereeyo. fikrada westland Hawadle ayaa iska lahaa Cali Cosoble ayaa xataa ku jiray dadkii wax ka abaaulay. waare oo isticmaali jiray first deputy speaker aad uu Jijeelaha u xoojiyay waana buunbuuniyaa. Most developments go to Jijeele side. dhinaca kale DDS ooy la shaqeeyaan.

westland XL abuuray si Al Shabaab looga ilaaliyo waqooyi galbeedka Baladweyne waa kan Cali Cosoble dhageyso.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 4323307485


Gaaljecel xuduud lama laha buuloburde iyo Jalalaqsi waxaa ka xiga baadicade oo buurweyn bas u soo hartey.
https://ibb.co/2WDvLL1

Dhinaca kale Hiiraan waxaa ku yaalo buurodhaadheer laamiga from matabaan to Yasooman. halgan markii la marayo ayay laamiga ka fogaanayaan sida yasooman. buurahaha waxaan ka waardiyeeynaa Coomaad, hees, teedaan, maxaas oo gadaashooda ku yaala. hada waxay qabsadeen mudo lixbilod ah waqooyiga maxaas dhamaadkii 2021. xiligi xassan sheekh la doortey ay buuraha gaareen kadibna itoobiya.

laamiga wakaas baladweyne ilaa matabaan
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 4829357946

confirmation. Al Shabaab controlled teedaan 6 months. bariga hiiraan ilaa maxaas city waligiis xor uu ahaa

https://fb.watch/fSsKMvdHRK/
before al Shabaab took over bariga Hiiraan 2020 from jihadist Source they r in wabxo. in 2020 we reached adan yabaal laakin Abgaal ayaa qeyliyeen oo waare cadaadis saareen wuuka soo saarey waxay keentay inay markale qabsadaan ilaa wabxo

[Rebelxx222]

What’s up with the HAG agenda to try and Irir Samaalinize Jubbaland



come on Sahal I thought you were smarter than that

The reason why Al- Shabab are stronger in Jubooyinka than Hiiraan is because they have been there longer than the other regions.

You said Ogaden only live in Badhaadhe & Afmadow. Okay then what happened to Bu’aale,Dhoobley, Xagar,Salagle, Baardheere, half of Ceelwaaq & Saakow. Even areas west of Jilib like Hargeia Yareey are Ogaden majority.

Another false lie you’ve claimed is by saying Gaaljecls and Cawrmale make up the majority in the countryside. The only clan that I can recognize is Cawrmale because yes they live in Baalgude & share it with Maxamed zubeer tribe west of kismayo also Dalsan & Bilicsan which is Maxamed zuber stronghold. To the north of Kismayo before reaching Jamaame lies Buulo Bartire and many Absame villages such as Baar Maxamuud which was established by the Maxamuud Dudub subclan of MZ. Towards Afmadow lies villages such as Beerxaani which has or in the process of being Ogadenized. Sac mooja which is just outside the city, there you reach Saato, Lafaha Hartiga now called Lafaha Ragga it’s where the infamous battle happened between Absame and Harti took place limiting the Harti tribe to kismayo district.

Ogaden has been the backbone of the countryside in the region and now their growth is being noticed within the city of kismayo. Many Ogaden subclans like the Maxamed zubeer, Cawlyahan, Maqabul,Tolomoge all have their respective districts within the city limits. Many Ogaden businesses have been opened as a result of the geo national market opened to Ogaden investors from Jigjiga to Lamu and beyond. Kismayo chapter is over next comes Jilib.

@Sahal don’t bring up the Geeljecl, Cawrmaleh shurunshur nonsense Cawrmale are practically now Maxamed zuber

[sahal80]

What’s up with the HAG agenda to try and Irir Samaalinize Jubbaland



come on Sahal I thought you were smarter than that

The reason why Al- Shabab are stronger in Jubooyinka than Hiiraan is because they have been there longer than the other regions.

You said Ogaden only live in Badhaadhe & Afmadow. Okay then what happened to Bu’aale,Dhoobley, Xagar,Salagle, Baardheere, half of Ceelwaaq & Saakow. Even areas west of Jilib like Hargeia Yareey are Ogaden majority.

Another false lie you’ve claimed is by saying Gaaljecls and Cawrmale make up the majority in the countryside. The only clan that I can recognize is Cawrmale because yes they live in Baalgude & share it with Maxamed zubeer tribe west of kismayo also Dalsan & Bilicsan which is Maxamed zuber stronghold. To the north of Kismayo before reaching Jamaame lies Buulo Bartire and many Absame villages such as Baar Maxamuud which was established by the Maxamuud Dudub subclan of MZ. Towards Afmadow lies villages such as Beerxaani which has or in the process of being Ogadenized. Sac mooja which is just outside the city, there you reach Saato, Lafaha Hartiga now called Lafaha Ragga it’s where the infamous battle happened between Absame and Harti took place limiting the Harti tribe to kismayo district.

Ogaden has been the backbone of the countryside in the region and now their growth is being noticed within the city of kismayo. Many Ogaden subclans like the Maxamed zubeer, Cawlyahan, Maqabul,Tolomoge all have their respective districts within the city limits. Many Ogaden businesses have been opened as a result of the geo national market opened to Ogaden investors from Jigjiga to Lamu and beyond. Kismayo chapter is over next comes Jilib.

@Sahal don’t bring up the Geeljecl, Cawrmaleh shurunshur nonsense Cawrmale are practically now Maxamed zuber

i said there r just OG deegaans like Afmadow and Badhaadhe and so on i did not said OG only live in them. Jubada dhexe is mixed hadii kale mar horaad gali laheedeen. in 12 years JL oo dekad leh, oo UAE iyo Kenya hubeeyaan hal mar xataa ma galin. my point is please don't compare jubooyinka to Hiiraan in central Somalia its our original home!

Gaaljecel live in Jubada Hoose same way they live Jowhar and Hiiraan aniga ma inkiri karo inay Hiiraan degaan. you have mainly Doqondiid, Axmed Adan iyo dirirsame in Jubada hoose from beerxaano to raaskambooni. i said Harti Daarood took over them politically spreading from Kismaayo after they landed there from PL and now they claim them as one of them but in Hiiraan and Jowhar they belong to the Same clan that why no one is annexing them!

Your candidate for the deputy speaker Is Garjente Gardheere a sister of Gaaljecel and you had doqondiid and dirirsame federal mps from Jubada hoose! facts!

[original dervish]

Look at this disinformation........Harti have been in Jubba Hoose for over 150 years.

Our numbers have fluctuated since the civil war and we suffered terribly under Hag/ Mx moryaan alliance.

Gaajecel have no problem with us........their problem is with xw expansion in Hiiraan. Their own media even say this.

[Isseayaanle]

One of the main problems us there isn't any real functioning government in Xamar.

Institution and capacity building hasn't expanded over the last ten years......corruption, division and incompetence perneates every government.

Unfortunately I can't see any improvement for the foreseeable future and as such the war against AS will ultimately fail.

More and more are tired of the centre. Brazil built a new capital Brasilia and kept Rio as a cultural capital. The blood of the civil war still permeates it. As Somalis, we have to be frank and move it. And now with Abiy welcoming SL chief of police closer to spite HSM who should’ve been more strategic in how he undermined Ethiopia. This happens when you got a unaka leh mentality only in it for the money. Social media shows a lot

I’ve came to this realization years ago. I don’t understand why it’s so hard to move the capital of the Hutus don’t want any forms of law and government.