SULDAAN CISMAAN SULDAAN CALI MADAR OO JEELKA LOO TAXAABAY

[KUN-DILE]

Sxb, your mixing two things. The meeting at the Muse Cabddale's newly crowned Suldaan was never a political or the sort kind of meeting. It was purely a gathering of guests who were invited to ceremony of crowning the new suldan.

Of course there could be few of those "Duur Xul" sort of talks presented by different speakers but at these sort of meetings these sort of Duur Xul are never taken as serious "Goaan" or rather a position of an indivitual or a group. Its purely for the occation. So whatever that was said there, it doesn't have any relevance to the day to day politics.

Suldaan Cusman was alone in chairing this secretive meeting. The Clan was not aware of it as clearified by the elected Guurti and XogHayn of the clan. Mind you, this Guurti is the same old one that took part in the Peace Making between clans. They are well known people, unlike those few indivituals that gathered in Burao.

Besides, whatever agreement that is reached under the auspicious of the clan, the clan and its steemed members have the right to take part and discuss it in a crosscutting sort of manner. I do not think a two day secretive meeting somewhere out side Burao has any binding to the clan and its broadly spread members. IT just doesn't cut it.

Even a small clan like the Ayoup would take a week to reach such a far reaching agreement... but HY? I would think it would require at least 3 months of consective meetings in all over HY territory. But two days's meeting? Give me a break. This is an insult.

PS
Its not Suldaan Barre, but its was Boqor Barre (Ciidagale)

[X.Playa]

Kun Dile,

You are missing the point every time, u said he wasn't a sultan and u couldn't back it up, you said it wasn't well known and iam telling you it was no secret even Riyaale declared Shariica law.

Why this hard headness?/ is it just blind faith or what.

Were you in either meeting? the one Burco 250 h.y , were you in the one in Hargaysa planed by Cawl and Maxamed Xirsi Qani, was i there?? of course no, and both us are h.y.

Fact is as long as the sultan didn't violate any law he is free to speake and agree with the constitution, who cares who came and who didn't come, thats their problem.

The law and the people agree with the sultan Cismaan period,

So why was he jailed?? when the president of somalilan himself declared after Ramadan that somaliland will be ruled by Shariica??

make sense man,

[Cawar]

Who gives a damn about Isaaq and Suldaan, Zubil Ximaar and whate ever they wanna name them??

Dont you have have guys(well gays) like Xaar playa and Intruder rapresenting you??
And weaklinks who would come and defend them befor they even respond?? you know who you are..

Well...Like Cilmile said...if the Suldaan had any meaning he wouldnt have been jailed by a Gudabirsi guy..

[X.Playa]

Nin haday rag coloobaan oo cududu naafawdo
Saw wuxu ku ciil baxaa cawo iyo niic maaha
Cawarow hadaan isha caami kaa dhigay hay calaacaline
Caska waaga ciiro waa kaaa kicin carari doontaaye
Candhada markaan ku tuujiyaad caano leedahaye
Cadcad iyo Banaadiri hadaad tahay waa niiko camalkeede
Camabro iyo sideedii hadaad u cidid waa ku cabudhiyaaye
Caaro dheerna waa ku galin waxad citaabtaaye
Caadoqaate iyo ina gumeedba afkay cadho calaashaane
Casiiskaa sidaa ka dhigay anuu caalam maan dhigine

thats my own jacbur for you.

[Cawar]

^^Fok you man...thats not even Jcbur...but good one.

I will strike you with a better one soon.

PS...Laakiin nin baaba isku sheegeeysaaye maxaa candhadeyda ku dba dhigay??

[fagash_killer]

[quote="Ashlee~"]^ Sxb your sad wallahi. Your defence of Somaliland will even make you justify the jailings of respected elders You are sick and your disease is called loyalty to the SOMALILAND CLAN FIEFODM. You believe what you don't perceive aka SULDAANKA'S SUPPORT FOR SHARIICA AND ICU as making the SOMALILAND wall crumble Hence the ISAAQ DYNASTY GO DOWN THE DRAIN [/quote]

[XidigtaJSL]

Saaxiibayaal. The situation seems to be escalating, the HY group the Suldaan was lecturing held their first meeting in Burco with almost all members present despite government warnings, bodyguards guarding the elders fired shots at man while the meeting was in progress. The group released a notice for the government to free the Suldaan immediately or be responsible for the consequences. In similar development, there is a major demonstration planned for the next two days in Burco city. On the other hand the government dispatched ministers, mps and HY guurti members to cool things down before the situation worsens.

[Samatr]

^What do you expect. You don't just jail a Suldaan and think the people won't retaliate.
Fuck the demonstration, thats for bitches. Free the Suldaan by force, demonstrate kulaha, demonstrate what. Our Suldaan was jailed, now I know how our HJ brothers felt when Boqor Buurmadow was jailed. Why don't HJ and HY just create their own autonomous state and lets see what Riyaale and his cronies can do.

[gurey25]

Sxb this government is dead in the water.

IT will not survive the next election.

Even if they win (which they are gaurenteed to win through vote rigging
) they will not survive.


We need a government of National unity, encompassing all parties and clans.

[Gedo_Boy]

You can't just jail a Suldaan....HY don't play that....you betta ask somebody

[Gedo_Boy]

[quote="Samatr"]XidigtaJSL

I met Suldaan Cismaan twice when he was here in America and he seemed pretty honest. Why hasn't this Qani ever visited HY outside of Somalia, a real Suldaan looks out for his people not for himself. Every HY sub clan has there suldaan/caaqil but Suldaan Cismaan is the real Suldaan in all aspects.[/quote]



Samatr,

Ugaas ama Suldaan ma dhoofo.......this is an unspoken rule in 'Ugaasophy'

However, I do agree that Suldaan Cismaan is the legitimate heir to the gambar.

[fagash_killer]

[quote="gurey25"]Sxb this government is dead in the water.

IT will not survive the next election.

Even if they win (which they are gaurenteed to win through vote rigging
) they will not survive.


We need a government of National unity, encompassing all parties and clans.[/quote]

are you sure?

what will you say when they win the elections on 2007 and 2008

[highclass]

I agree with Samatr


Free the Sultan with force.

But I bet you wouldn't hold the same opioin if it was a wadaad or a average person

[fagash_killer]

[quote="highclass"]I agree with Samatr


Free the Sultan with force.

But I bet you wouldn't hold the same opioin if it was a wadaad or a average person [/quote]

this will lead than to cival war

[fagash_killer]

More Warning Signs of Islamic Courts Influence in Somaliland

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hadhwanaag 2006-12-01 (Hadhwanaagnews) I have used this article to warn Somaliland people about the imminent threat from those who sympathize with the Islamic Courts from Mogadishu and who are prominent members of their community in Somaliland. I wrote an article when the conservative religious group demonstrated in Burco and Hargeisa, I warned when the conservative religious community leaders have burned the daily newspaper Haatuf in Burco, and I have written about the founder of Al-Itahad Sheikh Ahmed Warsame who lives in Burco and have recently came back from extended visit to Mogadisho where he publicly admitted to have met with the leaders of the Islamic Courts. Each time, I have received public and private responses that informed me how wrong and totally off the mark my assertions were, in certain cases I was accused of supporting corrupt and inept government by creating non-existent crises to appeal to the patriotic emotions of the people expecting them to rally around their government in times of crisis; in any case I have not seen significant security concerns from Somaliland leaders or people, with the exception of the Haatuf Newspapers articles and editorials.

The recent meeting this week in Burco has been organized by the traditional leader Sultan Osman Sultan Ali Mader, the meeting attracted more than 200 participants who represented the religious community, traditional leaders, and members of the civil society, though all of them were from the same clan, and the meeting concluded with a resolution that pledged to follow and govern the (clan) community with the Islamic Sharia law with no mention of the Somaliland constitution; the resolutions included a selection of 71 member committee who were asked to implement Islamic Sharia Law in the community (this governing body will compete with the elected officials from Togdheer region for power and it is essentially the first step of declaring Islamic Court), resolutions called upon the other Somaliland communities to do the same, and appealed to President Dahir Rayale to follow Islamic Sharia Law. In reports from the BBC Sultan Osman made contradictory statement by claiming to support the sovereignty of the Somaliland nation – despite his pledge to support Islamic Sharia Law at the expense of the Somaliland Constitution.

The meeting followed several demonstrations to support Islamic Courts in Hargeisa and Burco, burning of all the copies of the daily newspaper Haatuf in Burco for being critical of Islamic Courts in Mogadishu, press releases calling on people to support Islamic Sharia Law in Somaliland, and highly publicized visits of prominent religious community leaders from Somaliland visiting Mogadishu and meeting publicly with the leaders from the Islamic Courts. It is very simple to connect the dotes here; I forget to mention the Islamic Courts have temporarily changed their consistent message about Unity of Somalia, and for the first time publicly apologized to the Somaliland people for the atrocities committed by the Barre regime against the Somaliland people and pledged to pay compensation for property and personal damages.

The Islamic Courts from Mogadishu have played several cards all of which earned them significant public relations gains in Somaliland and presented a very difficult choices for Somaliland leaders to respond to: the first card was the call to support Islamic Sharia Law, the next card was their pledge not to endanger the peace in Somaliland, the third card was their apology for atrocities committed by Barre’s regime and pledge to pay for property and personal damages to individuals, and finally the use of passive aggressive language such as “pledging to protect the peace achieved by our brothers from Somaliland”. They have committed only one mistake when one of the leaders from Kismayo threatened to free by force the religious leaders in Somaliland jails who were accused of terrorism charges. So far the Islamic Courts have shown exceptional discipline for not making offensive remarks towards Somaliland people; this has indeed taken away the Somaliland leaders any reason to directly attack the Islamic Courts beyond stating their commitment to the sovereignty of the Somaliland.

This meeting provides one more glaring sign of warning about the eminent security threat from the messages from the Islamic Courts and from the sympathizers of the Islamic Courts in Mogadishu who also hold influence in their Somaliland community – including traditional leaders, religious leaders, and from civil society as well. It is extremely difficult for Somaliland politicians to publicly advocate rejecting Islamic Sharia Law, hence the people have detected the implied acceptance, projected by their silence, to the call to follow Islamic Sharia law in Somaliland.

The first politician to reject this message publicly and directly will pay a heavy political price and none of them are prepared to go that far. That means any response they can possible make to the call from Islamic Courts in Mogadishu regarding their message to follow Islamic Sharia Law is not negative one and that gives the advantage to Islamic Courts to hammer the same message again and again.

The Islamic Courts are also the first political entity from Somalia that have publicly apologized for the genocide committed by Barre’s regime and pledged compensation for property and personal damages to individuals from Somaliland; again Somaliland leaders cannot respond negatively to this message and most of them choose to ignore it – again the advantage goes to the message of the Islamic Courts.

Lately the Islamic Courts consistently pledge not to do anything that will jeopardize the peace in Somaliland, and again it is very difficult to object or respond negatively to this message – that gives advantage again to Islamic Courts. Just in case you are wondering what the Somaliland government has been doing to counter act this continuous passive aggressive attack from Islamic Courts the answer is absolutely nothing – no response, dead silence, except casual pledge to commitment to sovereignty of Somaliland, and contradictory statement about their commitment to Islamic Sharia Law as called for by Somaliland Constitution. The last point about the constitution supporting Islamic Sharia Law is pure fiction and has absolutely no reference in the constitution.

Suppose we all agree that we have corrupt and inept government, which has as many criticisms as you can possible make; given that reality how can we realistically respond to the security threats from Islamic Courts, because if we donÂ’t do that at the present time, the opposition parties may not have an opportunity to take power through the ballot box, if it were up to those who sympathize with Islamic Courts elections are totally unnecessary and the people need the religious committee leaders to select the national leaders, not the general public through western means i.e. elections and ballot box. The people must follow the teachings of the Koran, traditions of Prophet Mohamed, and guidance from their religious leaders.

The meeting in Burco and its resolutions is one more warning to the Somaliland people in general and Diaspora in particular to open their eyes to the clever tactics of the Islamic Courts from Mogadishu and the need to help the Somaliland leaders to define a message that will help them counter balance the constant passive-aggressive attacks from Islamic Courts in Mogadishu.

The Somaliland message must emphasize and revolve around the success and the means the people of Somaliland had used to achieve them; peace, democracy, respect for the rule of law, respect for the traditional leaders, and the Islamic traditions of the Somaliland people, a symbol of the Islamic Traditions can be found in the writings on the Somaliland flag, which states one of the pillars of Islam.

That is a powerful message, which moves the debate from religion and faith to a preferred model of selecting national leaders, and government for the people by the people. We have got to move debate from religion to preferred form of government, which is the crux of this debate; those who advocate for Islamic Sharia Law believes the people do not have the right to elect their leaders and they must accept the choices made for them by their religious leaders through committee process, and essentially saying the people do not know what is good for them, but the religious community know what is good for them, because they are scholars of the religion and teachings of the Koran.

Somaliland has received one more significant warning message, about the security threat from the Islamic Courts from Mogadishu, as shown from the recent meeting in Burco where a community has pledged their adherence to Islamic Sharia Law, implied rejection of the Somaliland Constitution, and created a governing body that competes with the elected officials by the people via elections. If this warning is ignored or the response is not strong enough the next step will be the declaration of Islamic Courts in Burco, and Somaliland will be very close to war between government and clans mixed with Islamic extremism; the last time there was conflict between government and clans there was significant amount of human loss and unaccounted property damage, not to mention the damage of the Somaliland reputation in the International community.

I sincerely hope the readers of this article will recognize this danger, support democratic process, and the constitution of Somaliland publicly at the expense of calls for following Islamic Sharia Law in Somaliland – you must recognize silence implies support for Islamic Sharia Law in Somaliland and a rejection of Somaliland Constitution. I’m confident my people will make the right choice and keep their religion as a matter between them and their almighty God, and support constitution and democratic process in Somaliland as the preferred system to govern the society and elect leaders of the nation.

Rashid Nur
Virginia, USA

Submited By hadhwanaag : 2006-12-01