Slavery & our Reformation imperative: "I lower my head in shame"

[Leftist]

A few other things that will be reformed:

Slavery: complete and irreversible abolishment of slavery

Jizya: complete and irreversible abolishment of jizya

Freedom of belief/religion: complete and total freedom to believe whatever anybody wants to to believe in and worship. This means Ahmedis/Qadyaanis/Ismailies/Alawites/Druze/Bah'ai will all be protected. Not only that, but they will have the same freedom we have to preach da'wah and proselytize. " OMG, It's soooo unfair, right? Only us super-duper special beoble should have the right to preach & proselytize" (/sarcasm)

How do you like them apples, AirBitaale? Whether you like it or not, all this will take place before the turn of the new century(2100)

[AirBitaale]

Adeer diin cusub baan sameenayaa maad iska dhahdid, waxaad wadataa Islaam maahee?

[Leftist]

So, while God explicitly allocated to women/girls a specific amount, you want us to defy that and take your commands?

This is your ignorance and lack of ta'faquh showing again. That particular verse was for a specific situation in a specific era, an era where the concept of women holding down jobs was non-existent(except for a wealthy few); So for the vast majority of women, they were taken care of by their male muxrams(fathers, brothers, uncles, husbands). Hence, that verse.

Times changed, and as such, we must change with it. What happens if if we don't? Countless injustices where men rob their sisters/mothers of inheritance and gamble it away. Women not only work more than men, but they take care of their families in greater numbers and percentages.

Also, AirBitaale = CaliQase, right?

[AirBitaale]

So, while God explicitly allocated to women/girls a specific amount, you want us to defy that and take your commands?

This is your ignorance and lack of ta'faquh showing again. That particular verse was for a specific situation in a specific era, an era where the concept of women holding down jobs was non-existent(except for a wealthy few); So for the vast majority of women, they were taken care of by their male muxrams(fathers, brothers, uncles, husbands). Hence, that verse.

Times changed, and as such, we must change with it. What happens if if we don't? Countless injustices where men rob their sisters/mothers of inheritance and gamble it away. Women not only work more than men, but they take care of their families in greater numbers and percentages.

Also, AirBitaale = CaliQase, right?

Yes, you are correct about the names.

Sxb, there is one thing I would like to add; since we live in the 21st century, and time is really really really scarce, and since workers need to give their 100% effort to their jobs, I'd like to propose to cut down the 5 prayers to just 2. It is so hard people can't afford to loose their job in this very globalized world!! (/Sarcasm)

[AirBitaale]

Or even better we could just attend Jum'a prayer just like Christians!

(/Sarcasm)

[NoAngst]

In 1972, the Parliament of Pakistan voted that Ahmadis aka Qadyanis are not Muslims. This vote happened even though Ahmadis claim they followed Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and their new false prophet called Ahmed.

Now, if Ahmadis can be considered to be non-Muslims, what makes this Leftist and other like him to be Muslims?

I could careless what the religious beliefs of these Islamophobes are. I just don't want us (Muslims) to be facilitating their attacks on our faith and our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

It doesn't really matter what the Parliament of Pakistan voted on. The only thing that matters what the Ahmadis themselves think. If they think they're Muslims, then so be it. Otherwise, you'll have Taliban/Alqaida solution of persecution and outright massacre. You need to ditch the takfiri mentality before it's too late, for your own sake. Nothing good will come of it.

[Leftist]

AirBitaale,

So if you are CaliQase, waxaan kuugu ogaa adigoo xamar dagan; dee ina adeer, you too, in a way, are a product of, or at the very least, influenced by your environment. An enviroment that has been brutalised by civil war, murder, rape, and oppression for 30 years and counting. 30 years during which salafist-literalism came to be dominant funded by petro-dollar oil-money and the Salafist Orthodoxy.

I honestly want you to consider that thought(that you are influenced by and are a product of......your environment)

Is it possible that if you lived in a tolerant, multicultural, multi-religious society like Andulasian Spain or the Ottoman Istanbul, that your religious views would be much more open-minded, progressive, and liberal? But because you are a product of a harshly violent, conservative, and regressive Mogadishu(almost 30 years now), that you think the way you do, and have the closed mindset that you have.

Before you become defensive, I'm just saying, have you considered that? Please answer honestly.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

Does he write all the nonsense he does because he actually sincerely believes in it? Does he actually believe that he's a better human being than the companions of the prophet (pbuh)?. Rest assured, he doesn't.

Considering his arguments (I use this term very loosely) for a second, once you've read it, I think you'll agree with me that it can be safely assumed he is nothing more than an angry, apologetic, self-loathing, hate-ridden individual with an acute self-inferiority complex; who for reasons unbeknownst to us, has decided to invest his time attacking and abusing the beautiful religion of Islam in a futile attempt to be accepted into non-muslim society. In fact. I am certain that this individual's tirades are the manifestations of his warped interpretation of 'integrating into american society'. What a sad, pitiful creature.

wuxu waa dhandhaan xunoo istus ah, gaaladaa ayuu rabaa inu futada uruuxo sidey uu aqbalaan oo ku yidhaahaan waxaad tahay 'American Patriot', laakin weey la yaabi doonaan uun.

There's nothing more to it. By the way I bet he supports Trump.

[AirBitaale]

AirBitaale,

So if you are CaliQase, waxaan kuugu ogaa adigoo xamar dagan; dee ina adeer, you too, in a way, are a product of, or at the very least, influenced by your environment. An enviroment that has been brutalised by civil war, murder, rape, and oppression for 30 years and counting. 30 years during which salafist-literalism came to be dominant funded by petro-dollar oil-money and the Salafist Orthodoxy.

I honestly want you to consider that thought(that you are influenced by and are a product of......your environment)

Is it possible that if you lived in a tolerant, multicultural, multi-religious society like Andulasian Spain or the Ottoman Istanbul, that your religious views would be much more open-minded, progressive, and liberal? But because you are a product of a harshly violent, conservative, and regressive Mogadishu(almost 30 years now), that you think the way you do, and have the closed mindset that you have.

Before you become defensive, I'm just saying, have you considered that? Please answer honestly.

I am glad you asked that. In Somalia I wan't Islam to be the only religion.

Why you may ask?
Because Somalis (In Somalia) are 100% muslims, thus another religion has no base!

But when it comes to the west or in those countries where we, as Muslims, share with other nations i.e. Nigeria and Kenya, I want Muslims and Non-Muslims to live side by side peacefully.

And believe me, I don't suffer PTSD from the war. Jinni waan ka fayoobahay.

Waxaan u malaynayaa labadeenna inaad adigu maskaxda ka xanuunsanayso!!!

[jalaaludin5]

But it is not only Leftist. Didn't you see Bareento's comment?

Here is what I see: This is a site frequented mostly by Somali Muslims, and the goal of Islamophobes is to create doubts to the point where we're comditoned to accept these persistent attacks against Islam. These Islamophobes have their own sites where they do it daily. My question is why are we accepting these endless attacks against Islam in our midst?

There is really no debate here. If they need one, they can approach it with learned Islamic scholars. But all they do is to drop few Islomophobe talking points and then took off.

Again persistent attacks against Islam takes one outside of Islam's fold. No question about it. What they are doing is sedition and creating fitnah while claiming as Muslims. I won't be fooled.

Bareento warkiisu wuu cadyay oo muslim ba maaha.
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So why is he allowed to make some of the statements that he is making in this forum?

I think the mods should answer that question.
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[jalaaludin5]

Does he write all the nonsense he does because he actually sincerely believes in it? Does he actually believe that he's a better human being than the companions of the prophet (pbuh)?. Rest assured, he doesn't.

Considering his arguments (I use this term very loosely) for a second, once you've read it, I think you'll agree with me that it can be safely assumed he is nothing more than an angry, apologetic, self-loathing, hate-ridden individual with an acute self-inferiority complex; who for reasons unbeknownst to us, has decided to invest his time attacking and abusing the beautiful religion of Islam in a futile attempt to be accepted into non-muslim society. In fact. I am certain that this individual's tirades are the manifestations of his warped interpretation of 'integrating into american society'. What a sad, pitiful creature.

wuxu waa dhandhaan xunoo istus ah, gaaladaa ayuu rabaa inu futada uruuxo sidey uu aqbalaan oo ku yidhaahaan waxaad tahay 'American Patriot', laakin weey la yaabi doonaan uun.

There's nothing more to it. By the way I bet he supports Trump.

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[gegiroor]

Islam needs a restoration, not a reformation

Abdullah al Andalusi
Tuesday 5 April 2016


This is a long article and is posted here: http://www.middleeasteye.net/essays/isl ... -286652371

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The way forward is a restoration of Islam

As demonstrated above, the arguments of secular reformists lack accuracy on the reality of the Muslim world, and its solutions. Their demand for reformation, therefore, is not to initiate something original, but merely to call to complete the re-indoctrination process of the Muslim world that was begun 150 years ago by the predecessors of the secular reformists - the European colonialists.

Muslims that lived after the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), from their birth to their death, attempted to continuously change themselves toward the state of perfect obedience of their creator described in the Quran - both in their hearts, minds and actions. This is called "islah," and means to reform the individual to be better than they were before, or in an improved position.

But if the Muslim world is not living up to the values and objectives that Islam prescribes, Muslims generally understand that this is the result of the failure of the Muslim community itself, not of Islam. When such cases occur, Islam calls for "tajdeed," which means revival in the sense of the restoration of something. In this case, it is the restoration of Islam in the community, bringing it back to the mental and behavioural state it was in, before it declined.

Ironically, the claim that countries whose policies are influenced by Islam become backward is refuted by examples in the Muslim world today. Amazingly, the "Islamic Republic" of Iran - although only a hybrid regime with some Islamic policies - is just one of only nine countries in the world that has a fully independent space programme which independently builds and launches its own satellites into orbit. Likewise, the late "Islamist" leader of the "Islamic Republic" of Pakistan, General Zia ul Haq, initiated work on Pakistan's first independently built space satellite, Badr 1, as well as developing nuclear power reactors and weapons to match India's developments.

Arguably, the more Islam influences a government's policies, the more likely it is to invest in an independent capacity for science and technology, even though those governments currently implement only a few Islamic policies. These examples raise an interesting question: if Muslims established a fully Islamic political system, how much more progress could be possible?

The above examples clearly show the Islamic world has great potential, but to fully achieve this it must strive to return to a full intellectual awakening, re-opening of inquiry, creative thought and ingenuity - like it had achieved in its past. This cannot be achieved by an Islamic Reformation, which simply continues to ape the West and continues to turn Muslims into blind imitators, with no original thought or authenticity based upon the Islamic worldview.

What the Muslim world needs is an Islamic restoration (tajdeed), re-establishing the enlightened, plural and just Caliphate that Islam prescribes. That would be a patron of industry, research and defend the citizens of the Muslim world, both Muslim and non-Muslim, from oppression and incursions. It is only then that the Muslim world can progress beyond militancy, secular dictators, invasions and oppression, and become an example of justice and Islam for all mankind - for Islam came to try to change the wrongs of the world, not be changed by them.

- Abdullah al-Andalusi is an International lecturer, thinker, speaker and debater on Islamic and Muslim issues. You can follow him on Twitter @AbdullaAndalusi

[gegiroor]

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[STARKAST]

Leftist, your naive quest in reforming Islam, will ultimately fail, especially in the Somali community. Maybe take up gardening or something ? Ma'a Salama.

[Shirib]

In 1972, the Parliament of Pakistan voted that Ahmadis aka Qadyanis are not Muslims. This vote happened even though Ahmadis claim they followed Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and their new false prophet called Ahmed.

Now, if Ahmadis can be considered to be non-Muslims, what makes this Leftist and other like him to be Muslims?

I could careless what the religious beliefs of these Islamophobes are. I just don't want us (Muslims) to be facilitating their attacks on our faith and our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

It doesn't really matter what the Parliament of Pakistan voted on. The only thing that matters what the Ahmadis themselves think. If they think they're Muslims, then so be it. Otherwise, you'll have Taliban/Alqaida solution of persecution and outright massacre. You need to ditch the takfiri mentality before it's too late, for your own sake. Nothing good will come of it.

If a person says Jesus is the son of God and then claims to be Muslim, it's clear as day that he's not Muslim, and saying that Jesus is the son of God nulifies his Islam no matter how much he claims it. Ahmadi's believe that Mirza Ahmad Ghulam is a Prophet after Rasulu'Allah. That claim nullifies their Islam. Nation of Islam similarly claim to be Muslim but believe that Elijah Mohamed was a Rasul and Wallace Fard Muhammad is the reincarnate of God on earth. This dispels you from Islam. They can claim to be Muslim all they want but that doesn't make them Muslim.

btw, I totally disagree with violence against any groups, but fact is their religion is not Islam.